It's very hard, sometimes impossible to get addicts to accept that their addition is harming or killing them. True for alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts, serial spikeshot takers, and that includes people who are addicted to and convinced they need meat, dairy, eggs. It's a waste of time to try to convince them; they display the same kind…
It's very hard, sometimes impossible to get addicts to accept that their addition is harming or killing them. True for alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts, serial spikeshot takers, and that includes people who are addicted to and convinced they need meat, dairy, eggs. It's a waste of time to try to convince them; they display the same kind of cognitive dissonance protecting arguments as covidians, as you see here, and I've found over the years that it is best to leave them to discover the truth on their own, hopefully not the hard way.
Indeed, so this is about secondary gain as Freud recognized, i.e. we do things against our own long term interest for satisfying a short term pleasure. I have a letter up for peer review on Academia about that very issue: The Wilful Ignorance of Secondary Gain in Public Health in General and Lifestyle Medicine in Particular
Yeah no. The short term results for me: all health outcomes I tried to fix became worse. It's not about short term satisfaction, it's about long term health. I've never seen convincing research that (free pasture) meat is bad. Never seen it proven in a RCT. I think it is a form of self flaggelation and it's wrapped in cult, group think strategies to promote it to the masses. I do not know any true healthy vegans or vegetarians. They are always hungry.
Listen, everyone should eat what makes them happy. The reason for change comes when you notice that you are ill because of the food you eat. This is the case for the majority of the population, see the stats on diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disease etc. Some people will become interested in changing the outcomes, and make the change accordingly. I agree many vegans and vegetarians are unhealthy, for most of them do not understand plant-based nutrition in the first place. That is up to them, But good, plant-based nutrition is now increasingly part of disease reversal programs for all of the chronic diseases I just mentioned. In NYC, where I live there are such programs at all major hospitals, and it is making its way into school programs as well. Various such examples around the country, but unless you feel the need to change, you probably won't anyway, so I have no need to argue with you. And yes, if you are on a plant-based diet, you would tend to eat more, because the coloric density is less, but that is exactly the key problem with animal nutrition. Meat takes longer to digest, hence constipation and also colon cancer is a bigger issue in that part of the population.
Carnivore, myself and my husband, and our stools are regular and impeccable. No one needs plant fibre to be able to defecate well. On a "healthy" plant based diet I had irritable bowel syndrome, interstitial cystitis, constipation, which is all fixed now. Hmm......And remember Bill Gates wants stop the world eating meat and I do not trust him one inch. Nor the mainstream media who are all advocating this plant based diet.
All vegans and vegetarian people I know saw a decline in their health when they started. I tried it, and yes I did it right, and saw a decline in my health. On keto paleo I regained my health. So, yeah, it is hard to argue with that experience.
It's very hard, sometimes impossible to get addicts to accept that their addition is harming or killing them. True for alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts, serial spikeshot takers, and that includes people who are addicted to and convinced they need meat, dairy, eggs. It's a waste of time to try to convince them; they display the same kind of cognitive dissonance protecting arguments as covidians, as you see here, and I've found over the years that it is best to leave them to discover the truth on their own, hopefully not the hard way.
Indeed, so this is about secondary gain as Freud recognized, i.e. we do things against our own long term interest for satisfying a short term pleasure. I have a letter up for peer review on Academia about that very issue: The Wilful Ignorance of Secondary Gain in Public Health in General and Lifestyle Medicine in Particular
Yeah no. The short term results for me: all health outcomes I tried to fix became worse. It's not about short term satisfaction, it's about long term health. I've never seen convincing research that (free pasture) meat is bad. Never seen it proven in a RCT. I think it is a form of self flaggelation and it's wrapped in cult, group think strategies to promote it to the masses. I do not know any true healthy vegans or vegetarians. They are always hungry.
Listen, everyone should eat what makes them happy. The reason for change comes when you notice that you are ill because of the food you eat. This is the case for the majority of the population, see the stats on diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disease etc. Some people will become interested in changing the outcomes, and make the change accordingly. I agree many vegans and vegetarians are unhealthy, for most of them do not understand plant-based nutrition in the first place. That is up to them, But good, plant-based nutrition is now increasingly part of disease reversal programs for all of the chronic diseases I just mentioned. In NYC, where I live there are such programs at all major hospitals, and it is making its way into school programs as well. Various such examples around the country, but unless you feel the need to change, you probably won't anyway, so I have no need to argue with you. And yes, if you are on a plant-based diet, you would tend to eat more, because the coloric density is less, but that is exactly the key problem with animal nutrition. Meat takes longer to digest, hence constipation and also colon cancer is a bigger issue in that part of the population.
Carnivore, myself and my husband, and our stools are regular and impeccable. No one needs plant fibre to be able to defecate well. On a "healthy" plant based diet I had irritable bowel syndrome, interstitial cystitis, constipation, which is all fixed now. Hmm......And remember Bill Gates wants stop the world eating meat and I do not trust him one inch. Nor the mainstream media who are all advocating this plant based diet.
Congrats, but TMI. It all depends on what else you eat.
All vegans and vegetarian people I know saw a decline in their health when they started. I tried it, and yes I did it right, and saw a decline in my health. On keto paleo I regained my health. So, yeah, it is hard to argue with that experience.